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Why do I need a summing mixer? 

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When mixing on a computer, many prefer to sum the tracks in the analog domain, which can result in more depth of field and a wider, more defined stereo image. The people who prefer analog summing, most would not use the word "clarity" to characterize what's better about it. I hear phrases like "more depth and separation," or "more rounded/warm low end," etc. It's really a personal preference thing, and probably driven to some extent by what you are used to hearing when you work. 

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The analog domain offers a number of great advantages compared to the simple "bounce-function" within your DAW.  While a digital system rounds off all values for level, pan, eq-ing and compression, analog technique operates with an infinitely high resolution, causing no rounding errors or digital distortions. An sound engineer described as follows: the digital mixing is a mathematical summing, like 1+1=2 (exactly 2). Mix in analog domain :1+1=2,05 (because here the voltage is summed) + adding beneficial effects of transformers result the pleasant harmonics, rounds, transparency and more spatial depth. Of course, in analog, every system sounds different - in some cases significantly different. This can be good or not, depending on your perspective.

so, two important think about analog mixing:

The "wide"  or 3D - deep effect come from summing network (cause here the voltage mixed in analog, not digitally - mathematical)The "warmt" - colored - harmonics sound come from Haufe /Pikatron, or other like Neve(Cinemag Lundahl. OEP) audio transformers.

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The idea is to control the level, panning, EQ, and effects sends of your mix from within the DAW, and send as many as 8 - 16 - 32 - 64 (or more) different tracks or submixes to Summing. 

 

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You then perform only the summing in the analog domain. This enables you to maintain absolute repeatability from within your DAW. With vintage summing amp (like NeumannV475, Lawo) the summing bus become  a solid state active mixer. (GS forum)

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TNT Recording Lab Tommy Dell Olio

I have just bought a forty channel neumann summing mixer from vintage maker and...it's amazing!!!! The difference from my old summing box (a vintage design Suj 1) is really huge!! The new mixer has much more punch and detail and everything sounds bigger and wider!! ..and, last but not least, the quality-price ratio is crazy:-))highly recommended:-)) Facebook

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Franck Amendola 

Neumann v475 Summing Mixer 32x4 with insert point stereo/mono /Active/Passive switch

i just received a vintage maker Neumann - V475 Summing Mixer / 32 in. The difference with the ITB mixes in protools is awesome...deep, warm, dynamic...i m really impressed by the quality .+1 More on: Gearslutz

Peter Carter UK. Lawo Summing Unit

Absolutely over the moon with my Lawo Summing mixer from Paul. This is the second unit I have bought from him. Fast shipping, great price and the unit itself does wonders to your mix. Highly recommended. http://tweakmusicmixing.com/home.cfm

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Dejan Radièeviæ producer/manager

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Resolution and stereo image: 

first thing I've noticed was that mix is "glued together". I have a feeling of working with a tape, like the nasty transients are smoother, thus allowing for a warmer mix. It has a certain "velvety" feel to it. I also have the feeling that haufe transformers generate additional harmonics, that make the impression of excellent equal frequency distribution all over the spectrum. Mix is not dull or over exited, just plain great analog sounding. Stereo image is unbelivable. A huge step up from MiB (mix in a box). Bass frequencies are well balanced (from bottom mid all over to sub)

Headroom: 

it is obvious that there is more than enough headroom. I also have to discover how does the input overload sound like. So far I've been driving the signal through my RME DS converters, where I've selected the HIGH output (+10dbu) and still haven't been able to produce distortion (although, the higher input level might generate additional harmonics??). Output level rotary works great-no problem adjusting level to-tape.

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Fernando Rocha Numerica Studio Portugal

Just bought a 36 ch Summing Mixer Neumann v475 by Vintage Maker 

- Vintage Design djpaulmusic paul taylor.I´m about to remix all the works that are about to be released in my label,because the improvement in sound quality is amazing. Its like you get back the integrity of the sound as you recorded, astounishing. more on: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/6715803-post10.html

Neumann Pauls Summing Box - the real thing!

Hi there, after reading through and through the forums I decided to get a summing-box of Paul. He is really a guy who is into the things he does. Every whish I mentioned was no problem for him, so I got my box (inkl. my Name on the frontpanel and a blue Power-LED!). My box is summing 32 inputs (16x2), has 2 Stereo-Outs and uses Lawo-Transformers and what can I say: it does exactly what I was looking for. Every little thing, every detail in the mix - instruments, voices, reverb, etc - seems to be placed right where I want it to be. Actually I thought, all the time there has been a curtain between my ears and my Genelecs which has finally raised. The box does not produce any recognizable additional noise and I loved it from the very beginning. 

I have two Creamware A16 Ultra (DA-converter, wired via adat from my two Motu 2408 Mk3) connected to the summing box

 then leading into a compressor (TFPro38 ex) and the back into my DAW per RME ADI-96 (only used as AD-converter). I am very happy with this setup and I want to thank Paul for all his support and the really fine work he has done for me and my studio. Thanks! More on: Gearslutz

Benjamin Bard producer -Switzerland - Summing Mixer Neumann v475 32CH

Just bought a 36 ch Summing Mixer Neumann v475 by Vintage Maker - Vintage Design djpaulmusic paul taylor.I´m about to remix all the works that are about to be released in my label,because the improvement in sound quality is amazing. Its like you get back the integrity of the sound as you recorded, astounishing.

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Neumann V475-2C : l'avis de mxmstben "Magnifique!"  -  French review

Niveau qualité/prix, je pense qu'il est impossible de trouver mieux, surtout qu'au niveau qualitatif, on est deja dans du tres haut de gamme. Il m'est difficile de vous communiquer un prix, étant donner que tout les caracteristiques "custom" (nombre d'in/out, connecteurs, design) influence bien évidemment le prix, mais cela reste tres tres raisonnable.... more on : AUDIOFANZINE

mlange,Brentwood, TN, USA

I've got an 80-channel V475 from Vintage Maker -the build quality is excellent & Paul is a great guy! Mine also arrived very quickly via International Post. More on: Gearslutz

MJ Fick Charlestone, SC United States (Neumann v475-2a 32x4 FX send/return Vintage Summing Mixer)

I have used a bunch of summing boxes along with having mixed on SSL, Neve, etc. I gave Paul's (owner of Vintage Maker) Neumann summing mixer 

a shot just to see how it sounds. This thing is like a pillow for your mixes! Nice and wide, all the depth I'm looking for, and it has an FX send/Return which I found unique in a summing box a la Dangerous style. Paul is a really down to earth guy and I'm very happy I gave it a shot. It's got a unique sonic footprint that I really like as well. Silky is the best description I can conjure. I'm currently recording a Jazz album, a Rock album, and a Rap album. I have run mixes from each project through the box and found it usable for all. It's got a nice sheen to it, and I can really get use out of the Haufe Transformers when mixing ITB. Paul has recapped these units and removed the cutting filters for those concerned about line level inputs/outputs. 32 inputs - 4 outputs...$1200.00. Solid box, nice knobs, very sexy.

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Just a quick note to say how pleased I am with the summing mixer. Ive summed a piano session and a jazz session and all I can say is that it makes things sound finalised or complete! Its hard to put my finger on it. It's like a sonic glue! There is definitely a stability that it adds. I'm guessing its the hauffe transformers thats doing the trick. Sounds like a record! All the best!

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TornadoTed UK. Wales : LittleOne 16 Passive Summing Mixer

The build quality is really impressive and the case is very nicely engraved. I wired it in today and it does what it says on the tin and I've thoroughly enjoyed my first mix with the LittleOne 16 and DIY Neve 1290 combo. I tried it with my API style Baby Animals and wasn't so keen but maybe it just didn't suit the song I was mixing. It is subtle compared to ITB but there does seem to be that extra bit of seperation and space around instruments that I get from running into my Soundcraft Sapphyre console without the power consumption and re-call notes! All good so far and for the money a no brainer IMO. more on: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/567630-has-anyone-tried-littleone-16-vintage-maker.html

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Donhalli: Neumann v475 32x2 Vintage Summing Mixer

I bought one of DJ Pauls NEUMANN summing boxes. The build quality is superb and he is as said above very real and a total gentleman. He is doing us a big favour by putting together high quality products for very decent prices. I am very happy with my unit and am now interested in the mic pres that he makes. All power to the man!

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Aleix Arcs from Barcelona (Filtek 32x2 Vintage Summing Mixer)

I'm Aleix! And yesterday I was testing the discrete summing Filtek bfe! And I liked very much! . 

Yesterday we tried it in my studio with a Digi003 + Converter RME ADI 8 to have 16 tracks for summing! The Filtek is very clear, when mixed, it is very easy, because once everything is in place, treble and bass are more clear! I tried the SPL MixDream and Neve. And I love the SPL! But after testing the Filtek, both quality and price is amazing !!!!! So I like this new Filtek you're building!

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Oleh Malyy - Ukraine :Lawo 32ch Summing unit - Gearslutz.com

I has bought Lawo summing mixer 32x4 for mixing from DAW (Pro-tools) using SSL Alpha Link MADI AX as 24ch DA and some analog outboard (compressors, EQ, reverbs, delays etc).

For my task this mixer is optimally (for now). But for future, maybe, will ask developer (Paul) for more channels - all here know: channels quantity always less as we need ;) And here one very very importent thing (from my little expirience with Paul): Paul is very pleasure man for communicate and deal. And (I think) with him can be finding good way for my tasks always.

For my ears this Lawo mixer working very clear and musically. And have its own very small color: some charm. After receiving any gear, I always opened it for looking inside. Our post services sometimes working not so accurate, and before turn-on any gear I must look is it all normal inside. Here some photos of my Lawo Summing Mixer from Paul: Picasa Web Albums - Oleh Malyy - Lawo Discrete

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Aivaras from UK.London (Lawo 32x2 Vintage Summing Mixer)

I've just tested your summing mixer. Sounds really great. I'm very happy. Thanks!

ALEXANDRE LANGEVIN from Spain (Filtek 32x2 Vintage Summing Mixer)

I received this morning BFE..., great, perfect, it is very pretty and well built, i am very very happy and thank you from my heart for your patience and your kindness.

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UK. Filtek vintage summing unit -

I've bought one summing mixer from  3 months ago and I'm really happy with its sound (it is Filtek BFE option). This box does exactly what all consumer multichanel audio interfaces lack. I'm currently using it with M-audio ProFire 2626. What I would like to say is that this guy is real :) and he's making very nice equipment out there. Besides, he is very approchable and helpful regarding all questions and inquiries.

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+1 to the above posts. I got the filtek 16 channel version to use in a fully treated project space at the beginning of the year... throw in a pair of ensembles and set focal twins and ... well lets say this 'compact' set up blows clients of all genres away... Full stop. The clarity, imaging and tonality is simply astonishing for the outlay. An aural pleasure . If you are itb, got some nice valvie toys (and understand analogue gain staging within a daw - its amazing how many don't!) and want to get the rich and silky console joy this is the best 500 quid you could possibly spend....IMHO (ok sprinkle a healthy few k for the other bits!)